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PostSubject: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:00 pm

tech support pls
good day sirs, im planning to put in an AUG (20" 6.03mm) barrel in my M4 sopmod..
if i do so, will i have to replace my cylinder and cylinder head as well???
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:35 pm

No Need To Replace Any Internal Parts Such As Cylinder Head. Tight Barrel Lang Naman Yun Sir Eh.
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:52 pm

Pahabol Po Sir Navy. Kung May Butas Yung Cylinder Mo Kunti Lang Yung Hangin Na Nakukuha Ng Cylinder Parang Short Range Lang Ang Napupuntahan Ng BB's At Kung Walang Butas naman Yung Cylinder Malayo Layo Na Ang Range Ng BB's Na Napupuntahan. Merong Magandang Cylinder Eh Yung Aluminum Ata Yun. Mas Maganda Ang Performance Nya. Ask Mo Na Lang Si Sir Dods Kung Anong Magandang Cylinder Head Yun Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:33 pm

tnx. yup,balak ko na rin mag palit ng cylinder and cylinder head as advised by sir dime.
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:58 pm

ngayks mgpalit na rin ako barrel ak lenght sayang nman mgkano ang cylinder ngaun ung walang butas?
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:08 pm

wala naman sa baril yan eh... it is the skill of the player that kills...naks

di ba krap!?!?!? ay OT na ako lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:11 pm

1. Barrel. Some people change to barrels longer or tighter then their stock ones. The tighter the barrel the better. Dont get one too tight if you use bad quality BBs or it will jam. Most AEGs come stock with 6.08mm diameter barrels. Systema make 6.04mm, Star make 6.05mm, Guarder make 6.04mm, prometheus make 6.03mm, Deepfire makes 6.04mm, Madbull makes 6.03mm (but are bad quality), Dees Custom make 6.01mm, and PDI the best make 6.01mm from steel.

2. Cylinder. The cylinder is the area in which the air is compressed before being forced down the barrel. Bigger cylinders let you use a longer barrel. You can also get telfon-coated cylinders which will give a slight increase of Rate Of Fire (ROF), to my knowledge about 100 rounds per minute. This part isn't upgraded much as most guns come with good ones. For a budget gun one get a teflon coated Area 1000 cylinder.

3. Cylinder Head. Changing this part is either to silence your gun (if you get a Systema or Angel damped head)or to get a better air seal.

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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:15 pm

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wala naman sa baril yan eh... it is the skill of the player that kills...naks

di ba krap!?!?!? ay OT na ako lol!

>sir abis : ikaw nga BAR10 barrel gusto mo ikabit sa boyigong mo eh!! scratch lol!

>sir zuljin : tnx for the info, source sir? i was planning to get a madbull barrel, nag vary nga lang reviews nito.

>sir kadafi : bakit Ak barrel pa, try natin aug barrel, 20" same sa gamit ni sadeek sa ssystem nya. same price, may nakita ako P1,300 (6.03 madbull)

> more inputs pls. tnx


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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:18 pm

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wala naman sa baril yan eh... it is the skill of the player that kills...naks

di ba krap!?!?!? ay OT na ako lol!

>ikaw nga BAR!) barrel gusto mo ikanit sa boyigong mo eh scratch lol!

di ko na itutuloy since...maswerte talga tong boyigong na toh...ahihi d2 lang ako sa baril na toh nakakaqouta 8-10+ kills in a day...huwwwwoow! wut an amazing beng beng... 290-320fps huwwwwooow!lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:23 pm

SHARE KO LANG INPUT NI SIR WOLFIE FROM BAC :

you need to replace your cyliner to type "0" or closed cylinder. meaning walang butas sa side yung cylinder. aug barrel is about 510mm or same length with a m16 barrel. mahaba yung barrel na yan kaya it needs that much air inside the cylinder to push the bb out of the barrel.

i think yung stock cylinder ng m4 sopmod is type "2" cylinder, meaning my butas sa side ng cylinder near the middle, dahil short lang yung barrel ng stock ng sopmod. it does not need that much air dahil nga maikli lang yung barrel, lalabas agad yung bb. unlike long barrel kelangan nya ng maraming air para sa long travel ng bb sa barrel.

its up to you if you want to replace your cylinder head, dahil yung stock na plastic, pagtumagal magkakaroon ng air leak. aluminum cylinder head for better performance and durability.
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:33 pm

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SHARE KO LANG INPUT NI SIR WOLFIE FROM BAC :

you need to replace your cyliner to type "0" or closed cylinder. meaning walang butas sa side yung cylinder. aug barrel is about 510mm or same length with a m16 barrel. mahaba yung barrel na yan kaya it needs that much air inside the cylinder to push the bb out of the barrel.

i think yung stock cylinder ng m4 sopmod is type "2" cylinder, meaning my butas sa side ng cylinder near the middle, dahil short lang yung barrel ng stock ng sopmod. it does not need that much air dahil nga maikli lang yung barrel, lalabas agad yung bb. unlike long barrel kelangan nya ng maraming air para sa long travel ng bb sa barrel.

its up to you if you want to replace your cylinder head, dahil yung stock na plastic, pagtumagal magkakaroon ng air leak. aluminum cylinder head for better performance and durability.

wel said..ayan si sir wolfie na ang nagsabi... saka ko na lang upgrade ang boyigong na toh.. baka pag pinaupgrade ko di na ko makaqouta nyan hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:35 pm

Sir Navy,
Copied it from one of the forums at UAAPH.
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:52 pm

Agree with Wolfie except on Cylinder Head. I don't recommend Aluminum Cylinder head coz this is the main culprit for many of the broken Gear Box. The plastic Cylinder Head will last a long time. You just need to replace the O-ring if there is a leak.
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:23 am

navyseal33 wrote:
tech support pls
good day sirs, im planning to put in an AUG (20" 6.03mm) barrel in my M4 sopmod..
if i do so, will i have to replace my cylinder and cylinder head as well???
tnx for your replies... Smile
more power to BAG!!!

you definitely have to upgrade to a Type "O" cylinder. i dont think you need to replace your cylinder head, yet, unless it's broken. most likely palitan mo na ung O-ring ng cylinder head. if you have to replace ung cylinder head.. bili ka nalang nung naka double o-ring para siguradong alang leak. good day!

oh, and if you do upgrade to a 6.03 barrel, make sure to clean it regularly. hiniram ni dimespine baril ko this week, nagrereklamo, wild daw mga shots.. marumi pala barrel. parang nababalatan ung bb pag sumayad sa barrel, so a definite clean-up is needed. di mo naman pwedeng gamitan ng metal polish as it will probably peel off the teflon coating on the barrel. you will need a very long cleaning rod for that .. eheheheh

more power BAG! di ko makalaro huhuhu.. basketball injury.. waaaahhh Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:39 am

O Ayan Maraming Technical Support Para Sayo Sir Navy Seal. Pwede Mo Ring Palitan Yan Basta Ba Meron Kang "Chi!!! Ching!!!" ( Budget ) Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:16 pm

wala pa sahod, kaya wala pa "CHI CHING!!!" outer barrel extender pa lang mahal na, hehehe... tapos AUG barrel and bore up cylinder set... nakow.. bankrupt na, kelangan kumayod muna hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:28 pm

MORE INPUT FROM MAMBOBOSO UAAPH

Barrel

A standard airsoft barrel often has an internal diameter of 6.12 mm. If this barrel is exchanged for a precision barrel with a 6.04 mm internal diameter the amount of air that slips by the pellet reduces and the benefits is that the pellet has less spread and about 5% extra velocity. The downside is that the barrel clogs up more often and has to be cleaned. A longer barrel increase range, but the barrel can't be too long since if the amount of air in the barrel is more than the amount of air the piston push forward, a vacuum will develop in the barrel and the pellet will be sucked back with a big speed reduction. There is a method called "cratercutting" that has the effect that just before the pellet leaves the barrel the air slips by and cuts a hole in the wall of air that is formed in front of the barrel. This technique is normally used by players aiming to increase the range of the weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:33 pm

LAST INPUT FROM PYROMASTA
> guys, this will answer all our questions regarding cylinder and barrel upgrades.

> especially sa barrel length and cylinder ration lalo na yung balak ni abis na BAR10 barrel upgrade

CYLINDER: (cylinderVolume-to-barrel-ratio) 2 is to 1 (standard)Stock Cylinders:
1. Closed Cylinder = 27.1cc 450mm(min) 580mm(max) barrel length
2. XM Cylinder = "4/5 hole" = 364mm(min) 460mm(max) barrel length
3. M4 Cylinder = "3/4 hole" aka Type-2 17cc - 229mm(min) 430mm(max) barrel length
4. MP5K Cylinder = "mid hole" 9cc 110mm(min) 170mm(max) barrel length


Systema NB Standard and BoreUp Parts:
1. Type-0 Cylinder (closed) fits M16-A1,VN,A2,G3-A4,SG1,SIG550,AUG
2. Type-1 Cylinder (tip hole) for XM177, M4, AK47, AK47S, SIG551
3. Type-2 Cylinder (XM hole) for MP5-A4,A5,SD5,SD6, MC51,SIG552
4. Type-3 Cylinder (M4 "3/4" hole) for MP5 PDW
5. Type-4 Cylinder (MP5K mid hole) for MP5K
*BoreUp Closed 29.4cc = 500mm(min) 600mm(max) barrel length


KM Cylinder Parts:
*Intercept Cylinder 59 barrel length from 450mm to 590mm (Type 0)
*Intercept Cylinder 45 barrel length from 250mm to 450mm (Type 2)
*Intercept Cylinder 25 barrel length from 100mm to 250mm (Mid-hole)

*To avoid confusion, don't mix brand model names, just model equivalence
*TM M733 by stock is closed cylinder (Type 0) -over ratio

RATIO Guide: Standard-Efficient Ratio is 1.5 is to 1
2-2.5 : 1 for springs up to M130 --- 2.5-3.0 : 1 for strong springs M140 -> UP
<needs further research>

BARREL: (inner barrel length)
650mm/25.59in PSG-1 (extended)
595mm/23.42in APS2 OR
589mm/23.18in PSG-1
550mm/21.65in M16A1/VN/A2,AUG (extended)
534mm/21.02in Sig550
509mm/20.03in M16A1/VN/A2,AUG
472mm/18.58in Famas SV/F1
469mm/18.46in G3-A3/A4,SG1
455mm/17.91in AK47,AK47s
444mm/17.48in M60
407mm/16.02in M4A1 M653E2 (extended)
395mm/15.55in APS2 SV
369mm/14.52in HK51
363mm/14.29in M4A1,RIS,SR-16,XM177ED,Sig551
300mm/11.81in M1A1,AKBetaSpetz, M733
285mm/11.22in MC51
247mm/9.72in Car15,P90,G36C, SIG552
245mm/9.64in UZI - 400mm/15.74in (extended)
229mm/9.01in MP5A5/A4/SD5/SD6
170mm/6.69in MP5K-PDW (extended)
141mm/5.55in MP5K-PDW
110mm/4.33in MP5K

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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:31 am

TooTsY wrote:
navyseal33 wrote:
tech support pls
good day sirs, im planning to put in an AUG (20" 6.03mm) barrel in my M4 sopmod..
if i do so, will i have to replace my cylinder and cylinder head as well???
tnx for your replies... Smile
more power to BAG!!!

you definitely have to upgrade to a Type "O" cylinder. i dont think you need to replace your cylinder head, yet, unless it's broken. most likely palitan mo na ung O-ring ng cylinder head. if you have to replace ung cylinder head.. bili ka nalang nung naka double o-ring para siguradong alang leak. good day!

oh, and if you do upgrade to a 6.03 barrel, make sure to clean it regularly. hiniram ni dimespine baril ko this week, nagrereklamo, wild daw mga shots.. marumi pala barrel. parang nababalatan ung bb pag sumayad sa barrel, so a definite clean-up is needed. di mo naman pwedeng gamitan ng metal polish as it will probably peel off the teflon coating on the barrel. you will need a very long cleaning rod for that .. eheheheh

more power BAG! di ko makalaro huhuhu.. basketball injury.. waaaahhh Sad

Sir 2TsY:

> malay ko bang magpahiram ng baril eh di pala nalinisan.. wahehe. lol!

> basketball injury nga ba yan.. (singing Gold Digger by Kanye West feat Jamie Foxx) Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:07 pm

sir dime madbull ung tight barrel nyo noh?so di pwede gumamit ng metal polish sa madbull?anung gamit nyo pang linis sir?
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:23 pm

.. di ko baril ung may mad bull. kapatid lang. lol! nweiz, coton or any clean cloth lang sir kadafi.. aus na. wag lang maxado makapal para pumasok ung rod.. mahirap din nman gamitan ng ky jelly. wahehe..

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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:46 pm

Bro!

I just read reviews and upgrades of AUG sa FAS (Kasi may AUG din ako):


Ito lang mga kailangan mo:


1. Tight barrel (6.03mm diameter x 550mm length) kasya pa daw yan hanggang sa stock na flash hider.

2. SP120 or PDI170 or mas friendlier (SP 110)

3. shims

4. spring guide

5. type O cylinder (plastic)

6. seal all leaks

7. At dapat daw ay familiar ang AUGSMITH mo sa tipo ng baril.

pwede nang pang snipe yan.... expected @420fps
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:21 pm

teka mga broders nalilito pa rin ako hanggang ngayon (kaadikan na yata toh)... pwede kaya yung pinaplano ko with the inner barrel??

if thats the case kelangan ko paupgrade ng 500 fps on .3 hehehehe pero syempre single shot lang if yun ang setup (500 fps on .3) lol!

e2 balak ko kasi sa project "jumong"

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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:59 am

jumong 500 @.30??? akala ko sa hk416 @ 6500% hit damage ka na sir??? scratch Twisted Evil Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Barrel upgrade   Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:34 am

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jumong 500 @.30??? akala ko sa hk416 @ 6500% hit damage ka na sir??? scratch Twisted Evil Laughing
lol!

jumong partially upgraded...wala ako magawa last night..cant sleep..arggghhh

binuting ting ku nanaman beng beng ku...sinalpak ko na yung bar10 inner barrel with the old hop up system...

im impressed with the performance...longer range, bb more stable...mukhang kelangan ko na sir ng extender Wink

next project would be... (for cqb) a shorter inner barrel with metal hop up with noveske, gonna remove the cranestock and use anpeq for batt salpak sa rail ng carry handle... and bwulah its "jiamppong" hehehehe lol!

yun muna pagkagastusan ko... o di ba? less gastos .. malay natin pagdating ng panahon biglang bumaba presyo ng hk416 jg... nakeri na kasi ako dati hehehe nung bago palang jg g36c sa pagmamadali ko napamahal gastos ko "kaya ngayon ay kering keri susunond sa aking galaw... kering keri" (kim chiu dancing in the bacground) lol!


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